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SARUG – June 2014 Meeting

June 8, 2014

It’s interesting how small group meetings become more interactive, less formal and much more relaxed. In fact I’m looking for a bar with a good internet connection just in case our group returns to it’s founder size of three people, who by the way were at this meeting.  The nice thing about the SARUG blog, SARUG linkedin and Google Hangout is that you really don’t have to be there to still get a flavor of the meeting.

So Steven had just returned from the RTC in Australia and he gave us an overview which we were able to record via Google hangout below.


Google Revit ?????

According to Globes, Google describes the invention as a cloud-based collaboration platform with “planning applications to help architects and engineers in the design process, especially for skyscrapers and large buildings. The platform includes planning tools for architects and engineers to run advance analytics and simulation tools.”

  • Genie has been released and well-received by architects and industry professionals; it is now being developed not under Google X, but under a spinoff company called Flux
  • Google X team estimated that Genie has the potential of generating $120 billion a year for Google.
  • Target Release date early 2015

Could this be a competitor to Revit?  Keep your eyes open. Our inside sources indicate that some visionary staff on the Autodesk Revit development team have left Autodesk and are rumored to be involved with this effort.  Hmmm don’t you love rumors?  They really spice up the intrigue of such an offering. I guess we really won’t know until this application hits the streets.  My guess is that it will be like an over hyped movie trailer and most of us seasoned Revit users will just yawn and sigh as we realize it falls dreadfully short of our visions of where the technology should be going.

More on this subject :


I did a little dog and pony show with a Bluebeam 3d file I created and we reviewed the Revu 11 & 12 release upgrade youtube clips.

I’m continually updating the initial review I did on this product which you can view here.—revit-3d-bluebeam.html

Currently I’m running the Extreme V12 of this product via the Revit Addin and current shortcomings are the inability to completely resolve the section box limits resulting in some stray geometry being rendered outside of the SB-limits.  The other shortcoming is the inability to resolve phases.  I consistently get existing demolished geometry being rendered by Bluebeam.  I’ll be updating to the V13 in the near future and I’ll review the performance to determine if these issues have been resolved. Desipte these limitations this is a great product and appears to have been quickly adopted by the construction industry.  Take a look at this youtube clip on Setting up a Project (44 min) but notice all the related clips on the right side bar.

Revit 2015 features

We viewed this clip on the Revit 2015 features which is a pretty good overview.

Surface Pro II

Although not officially part of the meeting I ran the meeting technology off my new 512gb Surface Pro II tablet, successfully I might add.  It performed flawlessly running the camera, projector, speakers without a hitch while playing youtubes, and recording the Google Hangout off the onboard mic.

I also have Revit 2015 on board and it runs fine.  What’s nice about this tablet is it runs all the Microsoft productivity software (OS = Windows 8.1) and I’ve been told is better than most of the laptops currently available.  Down side is the screen size but I purchased a ‘Rocketfish’ optical to VGA adapter and hooked it up to a 23” LED monitor and I can see everything fine, considering my aging eyes.  Also figured out how to enlarge the text in Outlook to a readable size over the default (20 year old) font point.  So far I’ve been very please with its performance.

That pretty much wraps up the June meeting.  Steve and I’ve have been extremely busy this year, which has limited our ability to have these meetings more frequently. Hopefully you will find this post useful and don’t be surprised if these meetings wind up turning to a purely remote format being recorded at a Tucson bar somewhere.  (Visions of  Wayne’s World – )



SARUG Oct 2013 Meeting Followup

October 4, 2013

Well our first Google+ Hangout meeting was a success, except for a few minor tech glitches.  We had one of our best (in face) attendances and the Hangout successfully recorded the event.

Here are the topics/products presented and their timeframe intervals in the YT-clip above.

Varun Singh-Sefaira Concept – Energy / Design Analysis (Time Frame – 0:00)

John Tocci – Revit & Laser Point Cloud Integration (Time Frame 24:20)___

Patrick Villella – Revit 2014 Materials Editors, Cloud Rendering & Panoramas,
Unity- Interactive Walkthroughs (Time Frame 50:00)___

Kirk Cox – BIMLink (Time Frame __ 1:07:00)__

Lumion (
Surface Pro II (

I’ve provided the links to the last two Youtube clips since they didn’t record that well and we discovered that the G+Hangout can’t see a full screen play of a Youtube clip.

If you would like to learn more about the Sefaira Concept product or have a company presentation you can contact:

Charles M. Crnoevich
Business Development – Americas
Sefaira – Sustainability. Performance. Design.
Tel: 1 646 502 7449

Much thanks and appreciation is extended to all our Hangout presenters who made that extra effort to be there despite their time zone difference and provide us with an informative, inside look at some great products and workflows.

Also thanks to Steve and Cathy for added refreshments and to all those that made the effort to be there in person.  We had a very positve response to the G+H and will be integrating it into our meeting format; with some meetings being purely online in the G+H, and others being more personal, face to face, at the GLHN ( office.

This being our last meeting in 2013, have a great holiday season and we’ll see you in the new year.



SARUG Oct 1, 2013 Meeting Details

September 26, 2013

Things are shaping up nicely for our October 1st SARUG meeting (5:30 MST) via the Google Hangout.  I’ll also have the traditional format meeting at GLHN so
for those that want a more “in person” meeting experience just come over to the office.  It might be your last chance to attend to an old fashion meeting.

I’ve tested the Hangout here at home and at GLHN this afternoon and everything appears to be working properly, camera, mic and Youtube feed.

We’ll be doing one final test at GLHN with our remote presenters Varun in New York and Patrick V. from CADSoft in Phoenix on Thursday.

Those of you on Google+ will be able to watch the Live feed via my Google+ profile.  There is about a 30 second delay from the Hangout to Youtube transfer.
If you are not on Google+ you will have to wait until I get the Youtube URL up to the SARUG Blog.

If you want to present via the Hangout you will need to set up a Google+ account and have an operating camera (for your head shot) and a mic setup.  I use a headset, which will be hooked up and available if you plan on presenting from GLHN.  Add me to your Google+ circle and I’ll add you back to the SARUG circle.  Everyone in the SARUG circle will get an invite to the Hangout a few minutes before we air.

Since Varun is operating on New York time he will be up at 5:30 MST / 8:30 EST with Patrick to follow.  We currently have 9 tech items in the lineup to look at.
So if you haven’t sent me the applications you want to intro or to be shown on your behalf you need to send them in before this Sunday, so I can review and organize the presentation sequence.

So to quote that famous American Icon (Larry)…….”Get-er-Done!!”

To refresh your memory on the TECH Slam format.

10-15 sec intro / 5-10 minute Youtube or web clip / 30 sec summary / Q&A
Vendors can do live presentations in their applications, similar time format so we can keep the content flowing and the energy high.
The subject content needs to be software or hardware innovations, preferably related to the AEC industry. The intent here is to blow away the audience, although productivity enhancements gets extra bonus points, so let’s see the good stuff!!!

This will be our last meeting for 2013, we’ll shoot for a January 2014 Hangout to hopefully bring you some A.U. updates.

I’ll send out a quick note Tuesday morning as a final meeting reminder.

Until then, enjoy the Arizona cool down.
Finally it’s so nice outside

Carl ……. (Just hit my 100th post with this notice)


SARUG – Happenings

August 17, 2013

SARUG Outreach

SARUGer’s are constantly stretching their boundaries, sharing their experiences, perspectives and knowledge.  This free flow of information serves to benefit all and in this rapidly changing world, hopefully makes someones life a little easier.  So here’s your opportunity to see what some of our more active members are up to.

Steven : Blog

Andrew : Blog

Jake : Website/Blog

Carl : Website / Blog

SARUG Meeting

Our next SARUG meeting, in October, will be a TECH SLAM.
Presenters get to do a:

…10-15 sec intro
…5-10 minute Youtube or web clip
…30 sec summary with additional info, if needed

The subject content will be software or hardware innovations, preferably related to the AEC industry.

As the keeper of the intinerary, I can tell you there’s going to be some really cool stuff shown and well get those links up to the blog in our summary.


SARUG Blog Updates:
The following blog posts have been updated with current info.



SARUG July 2013 Meeting Summary

July 20, 2013

Much thanks to Andrew Abernathy for giving his third and final presentation to the group.  It engaged the group to a point, with spirited discussion, that made it difficult to complete his presentation.  Well done.  Andrew, I’ll see what I can do about recording & posting the presentations while you are on your 3 year project(s) in China. Congrats again on landing that big fish. Here’s something I learned on my trip to Shanghai (a must see) in 2007

Also thanks to Steve and Jake for their reports on the events at RTC.  They sang high praises for VEO, an application brought to our attention by Jake in March of 2012 and posted to the SARUG blog at:

Steve also posted an update to the SARUG blog regarding the RTC event.

btw, thanks for the cookies.

Two products coming from Autodesk that are well suited for construction & project administration, operate in the cloud, and are relatively easy to use by the professional as well as the client are ‘Glue’, an Autodesk acquisition from Horizontal Systems in 2011 and ‘Field’.  Both of these apps are part of the Autodesk BIM 360 cloud based services.


I’ve wanted this one for years.  It makes punchlists a breeze.

Although Field only works on the Ipad, Autodesk is hearing a growing request for porting this app to an Android based platform that can leverage other Microsoft products in the field.  What’s nice about using the Pad approach is that it leverages the voice to text conversion capabilities to rapidly take field notes.

Glue and Field are purchased via a: per person / per project / per month fee basis.  This ‘as needed’ leasing model is a nice change to the traditional annual purchase agreements from Autodesk and packages the costs into a fee structure that can be built into the professional services agreement should a client be interested in interfacing with the project in this manner.

Also thanks to all that attended the meeting.


Thank you SARUG March Meeting

March 1, 2013

We really want to thank GLHN and Carl for hosting our first Revit User Group meeting this year!
Also, a very special thank you to Andrew Abernathy for a really informative presentation and for driving down from Phoenix!! What a trooper.
Also, thank you me……for the cookies! You’re welcome!
We hope to see you all at our next meeting in May!


SARUG March 2012 – Meeting Follow Up

March 30, 2012

I just wanted to follow up on last night’s meeting which had a great turnout and the presentation and discussion topic were excellent and engaging.

Mehrad with P.E.T. gave an in depth and informative presentation on his use of Revit M.E.P. which you can view at the Livestream channel.  The segment is entitled “Revit MEP A Mechanical Engineer’s Perspective” and is 44 minutes in length.  I missed the first introductory minutes but we did capture the heart of the presentation.

We also had a discussion on the evolving A/E business model.  This discussion was also captured on Livestream and is entitled “Conversations on the evolving A/E business model”  Again an audio technical glitch distorts the first 20 minutes of the discussion so if you advance to the 22:40 time index I did manage to clear up the audio from that point on.  This segment is 55 minutes in length and has some interesting insights and observations on this topic.

There are also a number of Revit 2013 short clips up on Livestream that discuss some of the various upgrades to Revit 2013 that cover Revit Structure, MEP and Architecture.  The upgrade can now be downloaded from Autodesk.

I’ve added a brief tutorial on constructing roof crickets in Revit Architecture to the Livestream channel that gets into how the roof slope arrow functions, the angle of the roof cricket in order to achieve a code compliant valley slope and the directional control of the roof slope arrow to properly interface the cricket with the sloping roof.

Also the Livestream Autopilot has been updated so you can view some of the 2011 renderings produced by the SARUGroup.

Thanks to everyone that attended last night.  Your presence and involvement made for a lively and interesting meeting and discussion.



SARUG End of Year Meeting 2011

November 19, 2011

Greetings All,

I just wanted to extend a thanks to Ron, Dave and Victor at Schneider Structural for their presentation at our November meeting and for graciously hosting the refreshments as well.

Schneider’s office provided a very insightful look at how they are using Revit Structural and the current limitations of communication between the analytical programs they have traditionally used and Revit Structural.  It’s clear there is a lot of work to be done on Revit to facilitate a clean two way communication between these various applications that does not hinder the use of either. 

There is also a need for Revit Structural to mature as an analytical engine in order to enable the structural engineering community to develop a level of trust in its ability to handle the job.  Until then programs like RAM and RISA will continue to do the heavy lifting in the Structural office with Revit Structural being relegated to nothing more than a 3D graphical interface application implemented to appease Revit Architecture users.

One thing is very clear, Autodesk needs to seek out, listen and respond, through product development, to the end users of their products in order to prioritize and target improvements to their software.  Without that tactical approach they run the risk of client migration to another more responsive solution, (can you say “AutoCAD to Revit (pre Autodesk) circa 2000”) and will be relegated to buying innovative solutions rather than developing them and then having to deal with the two way communication issue anyway.

Conversations drifted to Autodesk’s recent foray into improving their fabrication software capabilities through the purchase of MAP and CFDesign.  Combine that with strategic alignments with FM: Systems in 2010 and you can begin to see the A-Z solution Autodesk is attempting to bring together.  That is no small AEC-FM elephant Autodesk is trying to swallow but if they pull it off and can get a seamless / error free communication stream from design to construction to fabrication to facilities management the potential is enormous.

This was our last meeting for the 2011 year as we always close shop for the end of year holidays.

I would like to thank the SARUG Blog management team Steve, Jake and Kirk for their contributions throughout the year and from Steve and myself as Co-Chairs for SARUG we wish you all the best in the coming year, happy holidays and we’ll see you in 2012.



SARUG – April 2011 Meeting Followup

April 30, 2011

I just wanted to extend a thanks to Carmen and Steve Grede at Pima College for hosting our April meeting and providing food and beverages. 

A very impressive series of presentations by the students who have gone well beyond the traditional realm of a CAD class and into the utilization of Revit and other software packages for energy analysis, design and presentation.

The class was separated into four teams that were tasked with developing four different sites on the downtown campus for the expansion of one of the departments related to the building trades curriculum.   The projects were to develop a building that integrated energy savings features and strive to achieve compliance with LEED criteria.  The teams had diverse levels of experience and the projects showed thoughtful consideration of a multitude of issues.

This comprehensive integration of B.I.M. related software technology with Design indicates a major shift in the direction of the CAD department at Pima College and aligns the curriculum well with industry trends.  Ultimately raising the skill sets of the Pima College graduates and preparing them well for positions in the A.E.C. industry.

Congratulations to the students who have responded very well to the challenges of their respective projects and to Carmen, Steve and the other faculty members who are instrumental in implementing the changes in the CAD curriculum.   Also I would like to recognize those members of the curriculum  advisory council(Andrew Abernathy and Dan Russell of Sundt), two members of our SARUG group, who have given their time to get involved and offer recommendations.

Well done everyone.  I hope we get the opportunity to attend future presentations from this class.



SARUG March 2011 Meeting

March 28, 2011

Post Meeting Follow-up:

Much thanks to JSR for hosting our March meeting and to Steve our Co-Chair for the munchies.

This was one of our more lively meetings with lots of conversation on JSR’s operational and procedural issues surrounding a collaborative project utilizing both Revit and Non-Revit capable consultants.  As with any new venture into a new technical realm you can start to feel like Wile Coyote in a mine field, constantly blowing yourself up. Add to that the size, scope and complexity of the healthcare project they collaborated on and you can imagine the hurdles they had to overcome.  It does sound like there were some good lessons learned and no shyness about sharing those experiences.  It took some time to get everyone settled down and back into the presentation mode.  

So Jake & I proceeded to go technical on everyone with self-calculating schedules driven by outrageously long conditional statements topped off by Jake’s nested door family (very nice).  So if that didn’t scare the begezus out of you or go right over your head then you may have an aptitude for being a Revit Techie.  It does however speak to the depth of capability within Revit that in many cases lies untapped.  This can be a productivity gold mine for those willing to implement it and can lead to substantial improvements in quality control and document production efficiency.

Unfortunately the recordings of these presentations were very poor and we lost the audio on Jake’s presentations, for some of you this may be of no great loss, but I’m talking with Jake about re-recording these sessions for our Livestream Channel (in studio) now that I’ve done some troubleshooting on the settings and arrived at a combination that should vastly improve the quality.  I’ll let you know as soon as these go up on the channel.

Steve is coordinating our April meeting with Carmen at Pima College and he is also talking with Shannon at CADsoft about a Revit 2012 New Features presentation.  I’m also considering showing how to build some controls into your detail components to expand their usability for a future meeting.

More to come.
Original Meeting Notice

Our March meeting is scheduled for tomorrow (March 29th) at JSR.
   Time: 5:30 – 8:00 pm
   Location: Johnson, Smitthipong, Rosamond Assoc Inc.
                     4067 E. Grant, Tucson
                     Suite 203

Presentations will cover the following: 

  1. JSR will present on their collaborative process to date. 
  2. Jake will cover his multiple nesting technique for the Designed by Many shade competition.
  3. I’ll cover the automation techniques I set up for Rick Joy’s Revit template as it pertains to doing an electrical plan.
  4. Jake & I will cover techniques for constructing a 2D furniture family that can be viewed in 5 orthographic directions.

 Some interesting stats:

 Our blog traffic is steadily increasing. 

Our SARUG Discussion Group on Linked in is up to 75 members and the Integrated Project Delivery Discussion Group I started on Linkedin is approaching 500 members.


Steve is working with Carmen to have one of our meetings at Pima College.  The format will include presentations by her students of their Revit projects in order to engage our members in a dialog on Revit techniques and processes.

We would like to invite CADsoft to give a presentation on Revit 2012 features. 

If you have any particular subjects you would like to cover or present on please let us know so we can get it on the meeting agenda.

As always bring your Revit inquiries and we will try and help you work a solution. 


Steve, Jake, Neada (one of our new members) and I are continuing to work with the Architecture College’s ARC 441 construction documents class assisting them with technical support for assembling CD’s as well as working with Revit. This class is being moved to the fall semester and we are excited to continue our support for this class and strengthen the connection with the professional community.  There is also a contingent within CALA that is strongly supporting the technical aspects of the architectural education and is looking to make the Revit workshops (previously a voluntary offering) a mandatory part of the curriculum in support of that effort.

Pima College is looking to offer summer classes in Revit and we are hoping to get the class offerings out to the CALA students that will be taking the ARC 441 class in the fall so they can get a jump on using Revit.  One of our senior SARUG members maybe teaching one of the classes.